USSA GAUTENG VALENTINES WELCOME TOURNAMENT.
University Sport South Africa Gauteng Basketball is giving Institutions an opportunity to test their teams before they engage in the qualifiers to the National Institutional tournament.
The tournament will now be taking place only on Saturday the 14th February 2009 due to logistical challenges at the University of Pretoria.
Herewith is the program of the day:
- 08h15 : Arrival of teams
- 08h25 : Opening & Welcome
- 08h30 : Introduction of USSA Gauteng Executive Committee
- 08h35 : USSA Gauteng ( Mr. Elijah Ncube)
- 08h45 : Teams to warm up
- 22h00 : USSA Gauteng Chairperson – Closure
Here is the schedule:
Information supplied by Sibongile Maswanganye
Neo
I believe i don’t know you and you don’t me,you must me ask what i have been doing in basketball before your open you mouth too.Asking what criteria were use to select premier teams needed just simply answer.
You state the criteria use instead of going behind the bush.Even Grade R child could have answer that Question>instead of people saying the they don’t meet the grades?
Kim
What do you mean when you say those other teams they don’t meet the Grades?Where were the blues playing basketball last season?The reason why this league has a relegation system it means that they can’t accommodate all team at the premier league but saying that they don’t meet the grade you are out contents my dear.
Theo
You have the right to ask what criteria were use to select team into the premier.That’s why we have this forum,so that the people you have question can address them into this forum and he will get you answer with the right people.
Neo
Theo is one of the guy who is/was running basketball in Limpopo,I now this guy personal,He is the only who travel to Limpopo every month to go and fix basketball court in his area.
Gentlemen
Well,I unfortunately have to leave and try and improve my coaching skills and will come back and address all these issues that you seem to have.If you can give a word by word explanation on my response regarding to the use of the word grade where I attack you then I would also request you to do so.
Theo,why would I say I missed hearing your comments and then a day later attack you.Anyway,I will be back to answer to your acquisations…till then
LOVE,PEACE and NAPPINESS
Neo
You must ask first what people do before you speak,I am talking about the comment you made about thing Theo.
He one of the few guys who is still helping with basketball in our community even though he stay in Pretoria.Do you know how much it cost to go up and down knowing that you don’t get paid to do that.What does it says about this guy.
Make sure you think before you right my brother,Don’t low your standards by saying thing which will hit back on your face my brother
Theo & Themba & Mixo
What Neo and Kim are saying is that if Theo had done his research about the GBL then he would have know the criteria tha was used instead of attacking the status of CUT.
So, if anyone is to be blamed for starting the accusations is Theo for his insinuations that CUT does not deserve to be in the GBL.
Pleaes calm down guys 🙂
Theo
Now we see the light, You might not know me but I know you. The whole point of my comment was to make people see how easy it is to loose credibility just because we dont take time to do research.
Its amazing how guys come out the cracks when something hits close to home, its too bad we only come out when some1 does something instead of being pro active. Theo trust me I know your work I worked with boys from Limpopo, dont let yourself down by reacting without proper understanding of the matter. All our good deeds can be washed away by not taking what we say seriously.
I HOPE WE ALL UNDERSTAND…
Theo
My african brother,I beg you to listen and understand what I will say now but if you are not willing to then I will understand.Firstly,I would have loved to have answered you yesterday on your comments about my character and subsequently my coaching credentials but unfortunately due to the fact that I had to travel to bloem to coach,I was able to.My trip to and from practise(including practise)takes 6 hours of my time(4 – 10h30).So you will understand when I say,I understand what Mixo says when he asks do we know how much it costs to go up and down.
I however would like to go to the comment that you seem to be angry about.I take it that you were very angry because of some nasty things you said about me.You using CAPS illustrated really how angry you were.Let me paste that comment here once more.
It goes like this…’I do not differ with you because you would rather see an all Gauteng teams playing in the GBL but I differ with you because you seem to think just because one didnt play in the LOP and the other reasons you make mention of,then they do not meet the grade to play in GBL’
Let me further clarify what this statement is saying.In all your comments that you make about this years GBL,you only make mention of teams that ONLY played in the LOP.With this statement I am basically saying that the new GBL is not only formed up of LOP teams but there was another league running which was called GBL.I further go on to state that in my view its not correct for you to hold the view that ONLY teams that played in LOP are good enough to play in the new formed GBL.
Hence I say….’ I differ with you because you seem to think just because one didnt play in the LOP……then they do not meet the grade to play in GBL’.If you analyse this statement,you will see that the word grade was referring to CUT.I dont know how you got to think I was referring to YOU as a person when I dont even know the team you support or play for.The word grade referred to teams like CUT,VUT,TUT,TUKS,UJ and WITS.ALL these teams didnt play in the LOP.
Where was I going with this?Well I was trying to indicate how biased your view was because of ALL the 6 teams I mention that didnt play in LOP,you only had a problem with CUT.Why would that be?
I hope you understand what I was saying.I did not insult nor attack you in my statements(Please may you indicate where I attack you in my statements so that I may apologise if I have).It would be also nice to know where I JUDGED you in my comments as you indicate.You are correct when you say I have never seen you playing,but what made you say that because I NEVER talked about you playing cos I DONT KNOW YOU.What RUBBISH am I talking about that relates to GRADES?
I HIGHLY RESPECT your opinion with regards to my coaching skills.I also respect your opinion about my WACK coaching credentials.I intend to be a better coach and will take your advice and update my coaching skills.I will even try harder seeing that you are the only person who is giving me honest advice.I will continuosly try to learn from Coach Kita,Molupe,Mandla,Zanele,Florsh etc who I am usually in contact with when I have a problem or need advice on something.
I intend to try get on to the coaching section of FIBA.com to constantly see what international coaches are doing in improving their teams.For now though I take pride in what I do,no matter wack I might be.I take pride in trying to be the best that I can be and one day I might move from being wack to an OK coach.I also take comfort that I am not the only one that you have insulted in this forum and thus I did not have sleepless nights last night.Themba,I hope I answer you with the question and comment you had towards me.
I admire your togetherness(Themba,Mixo and Theo) because as a coach I teach my players never to back down to anyone and must also stick together and seeing you guys sticking together is what I preach.I see that Limpopo brothers do support each and thats commendable.
I HOWEVER maintain that you were wrong in making comments that were not informed and think u shud have done research on the subject matter especially if that comment was ATTACKING teams such as CUT and BLUES.I can not speak on behalf of the blues but I will defend my team when attacked.Those kids that play and run everyday for me would be dissapointed If I didnt.Some(40%) of my kids who play for me stay in shacks and had nothing to live and I WILL SUPPORT them till the end no matter who says what about me.
I will turn my other cheek should you want to have a second swipe at me.
Joe
I should give you my therapists number……He is VERY good!
Kim
You sound like MLK, Martin Luther King, personally I dont think its fair to judge people without seeing their credentials.
I was speaking to Molupe at Tuks two weeks ago and the subject was how do you rate a coach, player or team. The first thing we agreed upon was that winning or being the best should be secondary to development. You cant judge a coach by the number of wins he has in a season but the progress he makes throughout the season and that would require one following carefully the road travelled.
Kim
Its okay my friend, by taking CUT to the league and competing that is progress and you should give yourself a pat on that broad shoulder of yours. The boys have confidence in your ability and leadership.
Everyone in SA is still learning whether it be coaches, players or administrators. Just because we see what the Europeans and Americans are doing we think we have the right to critisize. I believe if you going to tell me that Im a bad player, tell me why you think that is and what do you think will help me be a good player or maybe you just critisizing for the sake of critisizing.
Everyone has their own ideas and ways of doing things but dont judge a person according to what you expect them to archieve. LETS BUILD EACH OTHER IN THE NAME OF BASKETBALL.
I don think Joe needs a Therapist, what he needs is a exorcist, this man is possesed by the basketball administration devil and he’s out to get them…LOL
i thought this forum is for exchanging and debating basketball ideas. now i see we moving to personal attacks that are mis-directed.
Kim
if i were you, i wouldn’t even have bothered to explain the point you made as it was clear. i however commend you for clarifying the issues.
Theo, Mixo and Themba
you guys should grow up. this is not a forum to attack personal characters. i wonder if you guys will be man enough to apologise to Kim for your un-warranted outbursts. if you feel someone is wack or whatever then its better you address it with whoever is involved in person not at this forum. then also provide tips for the person on how to improve.
i sure would love to know which teams you guys are playing for and your jersey numbers. i would sure love to come watch you guys play or coach.
viva basketball viva.
Neo
LOL…….I was beginning to think 2009 would be a better year for Joe but seems like his stress levels will go up with the rumours that have been going around regarding the GBL.What RUMOURS?No Shwashwi in this forum…LOL
I agree with your take on the coaching aspect and the measurement of ones ability.We unfortunate do that. We fall in the trap of just looking at wins vs loses.I had a debate with Joe earlier this year with regards to this topic.I believe that one can have the best record in the league but might be the worst coach(if such a term exists).Just because your team wins doesnt not AUTOMATICALLY mean you are a good coach and subsequently,just because your team loses,does not mean you are a bad coach.
I agree with you that people always think our colonialists are the best.I remember in 2005 playing against many teams from Europe.One of those teams was the UK.We played them in a small town called Izmir,Turkey.We beat them by 12 points with the great limpopo warrior(Fumani) having a game high 15points.One thing that taught me during that tournament is we like to underestimate Africa’s greatness.I look at Angola,Moz,Nigeria,Senegal,Tunisia, Egypt and I see nations that have very successful programmes of Basketball Development.Better that numerous European countries.
Kita gave me a call last night,not to reasure me that I wasnt a wack coach,but rather to inform me what he saw in Angola.He mentioned that Angola’s programme was soo good,it was better than majority of the teams in the Euro League.He says he went to practices of two different teams and both were above the Euro league teams.
I had an opportunity to sit with Spider-Man in the Pool(highlight of after games relaxation in Alice) during one of the days and I was amazed how this guy was trying to constantly improve his game.Him being to the states was never a topic.He concentrated on how GP could improve,the importance of players playing for their provinces and how SA ball was improving and he wanted to improve with everyone else.A true African and sport if you ask me.Oh Yes he was the MVP came final night.
Baller
I see that you are in real election fever…You had PTA Heat,Egoli and UJ……
Who would you have as your fourth team to make semis?
Just interested!
Neo
I will appreciate a recommendation of a good Exorcist, I have tried my Inyanga but I get the feeling he is milking me cause I ain’t getting better. 😉
In the meantime:
Who is the Braamfontein Blues and how did they qualify for the premier?
Baller
What apology?
Kim was suppose to have answer what was ask of her?And stop comment about people being Tribalistic.
IF she doesn’t know what criteria were use to select team,then she should have said I don’t know simply as that.
It seems it is problem when certain people ask Question about Criteria use to select certain?
Joe asked the same question about criteria use to select blues?It is not different from the question which Theo to Kim?
You don’t come here call people Tribalistic and expect them to be Quiet?
Discussion does not need people to grow up,People won’t agree in everything.
We are in the same boat here.When people what to know something, do we have to say people are coming from the closest when basketball is starting blossom.We need to have all the people who are doing something for basketball in SA to register with BSA so that we know this people.Instead of coming here judging people without knowing what they are doing for basketball.
whether you are in high or low position in basketball it counts for the contribution that people are doing in this sport
Neo, you should know better man.It doesn’t mean if people don’t feature into Gauteng development are not doing anything.People in the low level are the one are working hard without any resources to develop basketball.
Kim
i actually have UJ, PTA Heat and Egoli..the fourth might be a problem. Wits Alumni 4th. Now am confused, we still have VUT which then says to me any of the 3 teams will fight it for 3rd and 4th spot.
remember, am making my predictions hoping that all the teams have the same personnel as last year. otherwise that might change. i fancy CUT to finish in the top six.
surely ure team will finish ahead of Wits University, TUT and Tuks..who are the Braamfontein Blues. on second thought maybe its the Rebels that were playing in LOP last year.
thats my prediction.
Themba
It is funny that I should answer questions but my questions mustnt be answered.I asked Theo a number of questions to why he didnt think CUT were suitable to play in the GBL.Had Theo asked the question before he told the whole world what he thought then I would have answered.He however took a position before asking hence I had a problem with that and was answering his first question before I went to the second part of his question.If you go to his comments you will see which question/comment came first .
The last time I remember,you had a problem with the way I used the word GRADE and I hope you are satisfied with the answer I gave.Now you are coming up with the word ‘tribalistic’ which I used.Let me clarify this point as well………………
For purposes of continuity I will paste the comment made that features the word ‘tribalistic’.Here goes…..’The problem that you have is nothing but ‘tribalistic’.Just because we are from FS shouldnt be an issue.The same way that VUT coming from the Vaal shouldnt be’.
That statement is not talking about tribes as in people but tribes as in a province.You will realise that in our conversations we never talked about Tswanas,Sothos,Xhosa’s,Venda’s or anything of that sort.The word tribalistic word is being used in a context that refers to the proposed exclusion of 1 team just because it does not come from a particular region or province.Thats why I even used VUT coming from the Vaal as a similar situation to us coming from the FS.
I intentionally put apostrophes on the word tribalistic so that we could make a distinction.I unfortunately do not know what tribe you are from and you dont know what tribe my players are from for me to say you are tribalistic but hope you NOW understand what is meant by that comment.
Just for your information,I am a HE and not a SHE.
Themba
I take exceptions to the anology of my question to Theo’s.
In my question, no way do I claim that Blues do not deserve to be in the premier, as Theo does of CUT. Also, my question is based on the fact that Blues were not featured in both LOP and GBL last year, as per the understanding on the 2009 GBL origin.
Thus, my question is based on research and not on some LOP or GBL emotional bias as Theo’s clearly does.
Please Themba, do not take Theo’s side because you know him. Scrutinise the facts and then draw your conclusions on rational analysis and findings. 🙁
Themba
I forgot 1 thing to mention…just because we disagree with one another,that does not mean that we have to call each other .It doesnt mean that we have to belittle them.It doesnt mean we have to be rude.I have disagreed with Joe,Neo,baller,Willie,Molupe and many others on topics raised on this site.Never have we called each other names like what I was called yesterday.I dont think its in good taste.
I however dont expect an apology from you because you dont see anything wrong with what happened yesterday and I DEEPLY RESPECT that.
Life will go on and we will go back to where we develop basketball and continue to work for the upliftment of the sport
as baller would say ….VIVA BASKETBALL VIVA
Baller
I think that is a better prediction as it can get.I dont know if Wits and/or TUT will agree with you seeing that they both beat CUT last year.Things have however changed and will see how teams will fair.WITS bottom half?I dont know but that would mean they overtake CUT so I think I should just leave it the way it is..LOL
Joe
I got your point,but you didn’t comment anything about Kim calling him “tribalistic”.
I am not taking his side.kim started by calling him names before he reacted.You need to apply newton 3 law then will understand what i am talking about.
Theo was asking simply question just like anyone who comes asks question or comments in this side.Kim need to understand that she was wrong also for what she said.
I think she the one who need to apologise to him before he come and apologies too.Who has the pride between the two come forth and apologies first.
We must not defend people when we know their are the one who pull the trigger first.We must look at facts and not side
Themba
I have answered the issue that relates to the use of the word ‘tribalistic’.It seems like you are continuosly speaking on behalf of Theo.I have accepted what Theo said about me and he need not apologise cos thats what he feels is correct.
I dont have any pride to think about when it comes to this matter……I dont intend to prolong this discussion but the response that fuelled all this was my use of the WORD grade.That word got you and Theo VERY angry.Nothing was ever mentioned about tribalistic.You were so pissed off that I was disgracing teams that I had ‘referred’ to as not meeting the grade.
Let me remind of you comment:’What do you mean when you say those other teams they don’t meet the Grades?Where were the blues playing basketball last season?The reason why this league has a relegation system it means that they can’t accommodate all team at the premier league but saying that they don’t meet the grade you are out contents my dear’………
That was what you said yesterday and now you are saying another thing.Please inform me which statement must I take as the cause of this whole thing.If you think I deserved those insults then I respect that but dont play the blame game.
Thermba
Do you know how much bodyguard goes for these days or a spokesperson? just asking…
Themba
This is the my last response on this, cause it is becoming evident that you are not prepared to introspect and are arguing on the basis of your frienship to Theo.
Again, Theo started the debate by stating that CUT do not deserve to be in GBL without checking his facts. Kim had every rigth to defend CUT status and I failed to find any name calling in his response, if I am incorrect in this regard, please quote where Kim begins the name calling.
Unfortunately I do not understand what you mean by Newton 3 laws, therefore cannot understand, I will appreciate the free lesson though.
Contrary to your assertion, I do not personally know Kim enough to defend him, however in your case it is quite evident that you personally know Theo. Thus while pointing a finger at others, your other four fingers are pointing back at you and I suggest you heed them.
Kim
I still believe you hide behind you comment also.You were ask simply question yesterday but you fail to answer it in correct manner.
My advice to you,if you don’t know something simply say i don’t know,so that we won’t have this issues of people calling each other names.I am analyzing statements made by both of you.
Can I ask you again?since your team is in the premier.What were the criteria use to select the teams into the premier league?
Themba
What criteria, He he he he!!!!